this is not a game of who the fuck are you ([info]alazysod) wrote,
@ 2006-12-20 15:06:00
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Why I Lurk
I don't really know what the general fandom consensus is about lurkers. I've read a few posts, but my memory is wiped clean after about, oh, three to five minutes. My guess is that the feeling towards lurkers is mild annoyance - you know, "Why don't they crawl out of their holes?" type thoughts.

But I'm an occasional lurker. Here's why.


01. Time Issues
At this very moment, I am juggling college crap, school, issues with family, issues with RL friends, fandom and all its derivatives, and last minute Christmas presents.

That's nothing new to anyone who has experienced Life. I'm not the only one in the world who is stressing, so this is not me whining about wow, life is hard, man - this is me saying holy shit, there should be more time in the day.

I have time to read and comment every so often, but not everything. I try to, but fuck, man. There's so much.

(But at the moment, I'm on vacation, so I've been commenting more.)

[info]halfshellvenus is pretty good at reminding me to review fics that I've recced, which I appreciate. Seriously, guys - give me a poke. Remind me to review, or to get my thoughts on That Fandom Meta, or my keyboard smash of squeeing over a new J2 picture. I won't bite.

02. Social Weirdness
As a general rule, I don't really like people. I'm so critical of my peers that talking with someone my age usually has me so annoyed that I'm counting down the minutes until I can slip away. I just - okay, it's hard to explain. People are great and fun, and humans probably need regular social interactions to survive, but sometimes I feel like saying, "Fuck off," and going to read a book, or something equally nerd-esque.

Not to say that I'm a total loner. I can be at times, but stick me in a room full of my friends and I'm the damn social butterfly. I guess it just takes a long time for me to trust someone enough to feel comfortable - which is a little ridiculous, since there's nothing traumatic in my past that would indicate I have Trust Issues. But this is inching towards subjects I should probably be discussing with a shrink, so - onward.

Some of this translates into fandom. I don't know any of you personally, but I am closer to some than others. I'm more likely to comment on a post by the former than the latter - I think that's a given. It's just that if I've friended someone after reviewing her fic and deciding she's pretty freakin' awesome, and then she makes a post about her RL that I know nothing about - I don't feel comfortable commenting and saying, "Well, I don't know you at all, but good luck with all of that."

(That, by the way, was something I thought up off the top of my head. I don't think it has any relevance to any person on my flist - but, you know, I have no memory, so that may be an accidental genuine example.)

Additionally, I can comment with something and, five minutes later, instantly regret it - either because it was a silly thing to say, or the word choice made me seem unintelligent, or I misinterpreted the OP's position. And, later, I will still be cursing myself. I can think of two instances way back in my LJ timeline - try two years - that still make me grind my teeth and flush with mortification.

It's ludicrous, I know. Childish, too. I shouldn't be freaking out like that over simple misunderstandings, but I do. I don't need to focus entirely on what people think of me and all that adolescent jazz, but I do. I really don't want y'all to think I'm immature or unsophisticated or whatever, because I think the average view of teenagers in fandom is, "Dumbass youngsters." (That may be because my first huge fandom was HP, and it's generally twenty- or thirty-somethings there, right? At least, that was my perception.) I don't want to be a dumbass youngster, because the dumbass youngsters annoy the piss out of me and there's only a year or two age difference between us sometimes.

Clearly, I'm just a big cup o' crazy.

03. Nothing to Say?
Commenting with, "Read it, but can't formulate my thoughts," feels, to me, really meaningless - almost rude. Especially since, knowing my complete lack of short-term memory, I will forget about it entirely (and, if I come across it a few weeks later, will still have nothing to say). And, if it's a RL-related post, then I feel like the rudeness is tripled.

Take [info]thelana's posts, for example - I read them and love them (she says they're rambling, but the way she writes is how my brain works), but I rarely have anything constructive to say. I agree with her views, but there's already ten or fifteen comments of people saying, "Yeah, yeah, totally agree with you here - great point, great post!" and doesn't that get repetitive? Same with fics - if there's already three pages of, "Fucking awesome," and "Will rec," then does the author really need another comment?

I would think so. As a writer, I appreciate every single comment that appears at the end of my fics. But for meta-ish posts, I almost feel like it's different, since I think the point of meta is to encourage discussion - and if it's just comments of, "Agreed!" then, well, that's not a true discussion, is it?

But honestly, I don't even know what I'm talking about here. Am I even making any sense? *facepalm*


So...no real conclusion here. Just my brain spitting out phrases that have been spinning around for a few days. But I do read every single post that any of you make. Cross my heart and swear to die.

What are your opinions on lurkers?




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[info]halfshellvenus
2006-12-20 08:22 pm UTC (link)
:D I lurk more with people that I've friended for their fiction, and don't "know" at all well. I'll still read and comment on their stories, but I feel weird commenting on their lives. I did have one person draw me out, but he's an exception. I friended him over comments on other people's stuff, and he's honestly just funny and very sweet. A gentle soul.

I'm lurking with someone on my f-list that I thought had accidentally de-friended me months ago, but I think now that she meant it. She's 'out of love' with me completely-- doesn't comment on any of my fics, and when I comment on hers I get "generic stranger thank-you." I don't know what it's all about, but I think she's one of those types that gets fiercely passionate about people/things and then bored after awhile and moves on. I'd de-friend her myself (it's starting to hurt my feelings, actually), but I don't want to start anything ugly. Yes, I'm a wimp.

I don't read every post, usually due to time constraints, though I sometimes come back to ones that look interesting. I comment on stories that I read, unless I don't like them. But... I don't have the time/inclination to read every story either. If it's chapters and chapters, the odds are very poor that I'll read it. If it's Het, almost no chance in hell. If it's a pairing I don't like, similar deal.

Same with fics - if there's already three pages of, "Fucking awesome," and "Will rec," then does the author really need another comment?
Absolutely! Well, if it's a friend. If it's a BNF like Estrella or some such, then maybe not. But if it grabs me, I must comment anyway!

I was thrilled that you read "Mapping the Tides" (I'm working through the comments), because that one isn't getting as much love as I'd hoped, and it makes me kind of sad.

I don't always know what to do with Metas either, though. If it brings out a conversational urge in me, I'll pile right on though.

General lurker opinion: probably 30% of the people on my f-list have NEVER posted a comment to anything I've written, and I find that kind of weird. Others go on a binge at first, and then fall silent.

Mainly, for my stories, I want to hear from people! Especially if they've friended me, because otherwise I'm going to wonder why they did that. :0

*looks around* *thwaps self for making comments as long as original post* *flees*

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[info]tvgurl_offcouch
2006-12-20 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I totally understand. I am a lurker occasionally and can be a bit anti-social. I also am worried about sounding like a complete jackass on a comment because one doesn't have the luxury of context or facial expressions on the internet. Yup, comments can get a bit repetitive. Which is why i am totally for lurkering.

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[info]deadduck008
2006-12-21 02:04 am UTC (link)
I lurk quite a bit as I enjoy reading posts a lot but never feel like I have something genuine and interesting to say (maybe one, but unfortunately rarely both at the same time).
Case in point: It took three deletions to create this very short comment.

AND, when I read a good fic? I'm so amazed I don't have anything to say. I just bookmark it and leave.

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[info]crawdadorgy
2006-12-21 04:46 am UTC (link)
psshhh I lurk all of the time. I'm just shy like that. But.. why would people be annoyed by that? I mean sometimes there is really nothing to say, and I'm not going to spew fake thought out just to feed someone's ego...not all of the time anyways :P

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[info]grrliz
2006-12-21 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Here via [info]metafandom.

I wouldn't really consider most of this to be the behaviour of a lurker so much as the behaviour of the average LJ user. Many people have a lot of stuff going on that crunches their LJ time and makes them very selective about what they choose to comment on and where they choose to interact; they try to read/say as much as they can but like with your own situation, there's just not enough time. I don't think that makes them lurkers so much as just regular people.

I define lurkers as being the people who friend you — or people who don't friend you but still surf to your journal every day anyway — but never, ever comment, not even to say hi occasionally. My own annoyance with that comes not with the fact that people are keeping tabs on me but don't want to interact with me*, but with the fact that a lot of lurkers seem to be too scared to comment or put themselves out there. I don't really understand that, myself. However, I find that no one, not even lurkers, can resist polls so if you ever want to find out who is reading your journal, post a public poll and see who takes it. ;)

*I figure if people don't like that people not on their friends list are reading them but not commenting, they can always go friends only.

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[info]graumoewe
2006-12-22 08:29 am UTC (link)
Hey, that with the polls is absolutely true. :)
I'm lurking most of the time, mainly because it usually takes me an insanely long time to formulate my thoughts in a way that satisfies me enough to want to post it publically. But I do take polls that are at least remotely interesting.

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[info]amireal
2006-12-21 05:55 pm UTC (link)
My guess is that the feeling towards lurkers is mild annoyance - you know, "Why don't they crawl out of their holes?" type thoughts.

Um. I'm not sure where you get this idea because being a lurker MEANS other people aren't aware of you and if you poke your head up to speak it means "Oh new person okay" yes there's a thought process if I don't recognize your name but that's about it.

I personally totally understand lurking, I did it for a long time, still do in many fandom places, fandoms I'm not active in, just reading.

Lurkers, as a rule, aren't annoying, because you're not around all that much. *g* What's annoying is someone claiming lurker status as an excuse to be an ass/say rude things.

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[info]alias_sqbr
2006-12-22 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Here from [info]metafandom and would just like to say that I lurk for a lot of the same reasons, and if they're teenage then I'm in all sorts of trouble :)

Unfortunately I combine a fair amount of tactlessness with a rather silly tendency to only state my opinion if it hasn't already been said(*), which means that "I liked it" seems redundant while anything longer just comes out wrong.

I find it amusing how many lurkers (or semi-lurkers like me) have delurked to say "me too!", I guess we feel you won't mind if we say something dumb since you Understand :)

(*)And thus by definition it's likely to disagree with that of every single other person in the conversation. Start enough accidental flamewars, you get a bit cautious.

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[info]sailorptah
2006-12-23 09:08 am UTC (link)
*waves*

I am one. Often. Same reasons. Social awkwardness, mostly.

However, I heard someone recently saying "This Christmas, give people the gift of feedback," and as I write and love feedback, I thought to myself that I would genuinely appreciate it if other people got the same idea, so I should try it. I've been keeping that in mind when I read fic the past few weeks. It helps overcome the social weirdness when you think of your reason to comment as "a Christmas present" ^_^

And while "Read it, but can't formulate my thoughts" would sound odd as feedback, "Read it, liked it" or "That was great" or even just "Cool!" is plenty to brighten a writer's day. (Maybe it wouldn't on a story with three pages of comments - I have never been one, so I wouldn't know personally - but I suspect it would.)

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